Nurse Ratched
6:48 Sat Nov 5
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"She probably had a bit of a reputation, back in the early celebrity chef times."
https://youtu.be/NiC679ASOyA
Plus ça change...
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Mike Oxsaw
6:43 Sat Nov 5
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Were spirits taxed as highly back in the 1700s as they are now?
Even if they were I suspect there was a healthy market in the smuggled stuff, so a pint of Brandy probably wouldn't break the bank
I've always fancied making a Rumtopf for Christmas but my meanderings across the planet stopped me from doing so.
Maybe once I've settled down.
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WHU(Exeter)
6:42 Sat Nov 5
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Said Mrs Raffald to the Bishop.
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Hammer and Pickle
6:37 Sat Nov 5
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As luck would have it, the recipe I'm following calls for a mere 2 tablespoons on brandy and 2 more of rum per pound of beef.
Plenty more booze left in the bottle to be utilised with due expediency then.
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ironsofcanada
6:36 Sat Nov 5
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WHU(Exeter) 6:30 Sat Nov 5
To be fair, if you use a whole tongue and 3 lbs each of suet and apples, it's going to be a huge pie.
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WHU(Exeter)
6:30 Sat Nov 5
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I love her surname, Raffald, what sensible house keeper back in those years, would’ve been pouring a pint of French (no less) Brandy into things?
A whole pint mind.
She probably had a bit of a reputation, back in the early celebrity chef times.
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ironsofcanada
6:20 Sat Nov 5
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arsene york-hunt 6:13 Sat Nov 5
Actual Guy/Guido Fawkes was not burned after all.
He either jumped or something went wrong and he died in the first part of a hanging then drawing and quartering.
He had watched some of his co-consiprators go through the last parts.
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WHU(Exeter)
6:13 Sat Nov 5
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Blimey, I think I’d get as far as the one pint of French brandy.
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arsene york-hunt
6:13 Sat Nov 5
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I like the idea of burning effigies of the pope as it was originally. Maybe calling it the Guy was some form of early wokeism. The fireworks were always dangerous though, especially the throwing penny bangers at each other, or putting them through letterboxes. We used to tie bangers onto rockets making a cheap ballistic missile.
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ironsofcanada
6:11 Sat Nov 5
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Nurse Ratched 5:43 Sat Nov 5
Why would you use brown like a peasant - was the logic.
Actually the original calls for powderd sugar, which was not quite as powdered as we can get it.
It also called for puff pastry which was part of the problem.
The original
A Mince Pie. Boil a neat's tongue two hours, then skin it, and chop it as small as posible, chop very small three pounds of fresh beef suet-three, pounds of good baking apples, four pounds of currants washed clean, pickled, and well dried before the fire, one pound of jar raisins stoned and chopped ſmall, and, one pound of powder sugar, mix them all together, with half an ounce of mace, the same of nutmeg grated, cloves and Cinnamon a quarter of an ounce of each, and one pint of French brandy, and make a rich puff paste; as you fill the pie up, put in a little candied Citron and orange cut in small pieces; what you have to spare put close down in a pot and - cover it up, put no citron or orange in till you use it.
The experienced English housekeeper : for the use and ease of ladies, housekeepers, cooks, &c., written purely from practice :
Elizabeth Raffald 1769
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Hammer and Pickle
5:51 Sat Nov 5
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Way I see it, the whole mince thing is just an ingenious approach to preserving meat in fruit sucrose and fat. Will double quantities to see how the year-old mince presents itself next year, though I must admit a suspect I may be on the way to creating some sort of biological weapon...
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Nurse Ratched
5:45 Sat Nov 5
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That looks intriguing, Pickle.
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Nurse Ratched
5:43 Sat Nov 5
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White sugar. Oof.
You candied your own peel? That's dedication. Most I'm prepared to do is hand-chop shopbought whole mixed peel. Why are the Italians so parsimonious with the ratio of citron peel?
Fair to say mine deviates somewhat from that recipe.
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Hammer and Pickle
5:42 Sat Nov 5
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The Christmas mince is next weekend's adventure.
Have my Atora suet so will go with this recipe
https://www.daringgourmet.com/authentic-traditional-mincemeat/
though may stop short at doing my own candied citrus peal.
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ironsofcanada
5:38 Sat Nov 5
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Nurse Ratched 5:32 Sat Nov 5
Really well for the mince. Lot of tongue left over for sandwiches.
The pastry - not as much - the period measurements were hard to work out, if I remember correctly.
My adaption
1/3 (about 1 lbs.) of a calf's tongue, boiled, skinned, chopped fine. See notes.
1 lbs. (454g) beef suet
1 1/3 lbs. (605g) currants
1/3 lbs. (151g) raisins, chopped as much as you can
1/3 lbs. (151g) white sugar
1/6 oz (about 2 tsp) mace
1/6 oz (about 2 tsp) nutmeg
1/12 oz (about a tsp) cloves
1/12 oz (about a tsp) cinnamon
Candied peel to taste (I happened to make 22g)
1 lbs. (454g) dessert apples (I used Pink Lady), chopped fairly small
1/3 pint (¾ cup) lemon juice. Some recipes called for fortified wine or brandy.
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Nurse Ratched
5:32 Sat Nov 5
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Arf! How did that go?
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ironsofcanada
5:30 Sat Nov 5
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Nurse Ratched 5:20 Sat Nov 5
Made mincemeat pies last year from an 18th century recipe using the original meat - neat's tongue.
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Nurse Ratched
5:20 Sat Nov 5
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Speaking of the seasons and traditions, I am a bit late making the Christmas mincemeat, but I'm doing so at the moment (heating and packing into jars tomorrow). I appear to be eating almost as many ingredients as I'm putting in the bowl. Flipping excellent sultanas.
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GreenStreetPlayer
5:19 Sat Nov 5
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For the ones around my age, google pains wessex fireworks and click on images and should be a good trip down memory lane if you were into these.
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GreenStreetPlayer
5:17 Sat Nov 5
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Far Cough 11.43
Yes Brocks and maybe a company called Astra.
Those ones lasted 3 seconds if you was lucky.
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